Showing posts with label bullying. Show all posts
Showing posts with label bullying. Show all posts

Friday, April 11, 2014

Trolls? Don't Take the Bait

"If you spend a great deal of your time pretending to be an asshole to get a reaction from people...you aren't pretending. You are an asshole."
  —Ed Brayton
It has happened again.  A troll has engaged the Susan Boyle fan community.  Following the usual methods, it has tried to get a response.  Unfortunately it has succeeded.

There have been several trolls and many targets; sometimes Susan Boyle herself, sometimes other fans, sometimes other celebrities.  In the most recent case, the troll decided to pick on a fan who has never had a bad word to say about anyone.  Why her?  The obvious reason is that others would feel compelled to come to her defense.  But that is the wrong thing to do.

What does a troll like this want?  First and foremost, it wants attention – any attention, positive or negative.  This is similar to a small child, and not coincidentally, the insults are often at this level of intellectual discourse. 

There is nothing to be gained by responding to the troll’s bait.  In fact, responding encourages the troll. 

Why respond? 

You cannot reason with the troll.  There are not enough facts in the world to convince the troll that it is wrong because facts do not matter to the troll.  You cannot educate the troll because its posts and tweets are driven by malevolence, not lack of information.

You cannot shame the troll.  It has no shame.  If it did, it would never have engaged in this behavior in the first place.  Your indignation actually feeds the troll.  It gives it what it wants, a reaction.  The more outraged and upset you are, the better the troll likes it.

You cannot out-shout the troll.  You may think that if you have more posts objecting or refuting the troll, that you win.  This is not true.  The troll wins.  It has gotten a lot of attention and you have helped. 

You cannot “defend” your friend or the celebrity who is the focus of the troll.  Most of the statements made by the troll are so outrageous that they should not be taken seriously.  And to defend or refute them is to take them seriously. 

What about “outing" the troll?  Be very careful.  Just because you think you know who it is, that does not mean that you absolutely do.  If you are wrong, you will have hurt an innocent person.   That has happened before.

And the worst thing you can do is to try to match the troll in insults.  If you start a slanging match it is a win/win situation for the troll.  Not only does the troll get lots of attention, but you have conceded the high ground.  You have no moral authority to criticize the troll once you have engaged in the same behavior

Because the troll wants attention more than anything else, there is one thing you can do.  You can ignore the troll.  Deny it the attention it seeks.  If no one replies to the troll’s tweets, how does it know that they were even seen?  If no one replies to its posts in other places, it will not have the satisfaction of getting a response.  

If you do not give the troll the satisfaction of a response, it will not succeed in its goal of getting attention and creating outrage.  Let it be frustrated by being ignored.  It is the best thing you can do.

Saturday, August 18, 2012

Intolerance and Censorship

“Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and always will be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.”
Eugene O'Neill

Once again, I find myself amazed at the shenanigans that take place in the seemingly innocuous venue of Susan Boyle fan sites.  The latest brouhaha is an attempt at censorship.  Those pushing to have someone censored would be appalled if such tactics were used against them, even though they routinely make slams and derogatory posts against others. 

The latest subject of their witch hunt never does.  He is unfailingly polite and attacks no one.  Yet the gang hounds him unmercifully.  They go from site to site, trying to stir up sentiment against him.  Sometimes they succeed and otherwise reasonable members get caught up in the blood frenzy.  "Do something about him," they cry. 

And why?  Because he makes a lot of posts?   His posts are mainly tribute videos and posters, with some poetry thrown in.  His focus is Susan Boyle.  He never makes rude comments about other members, even though he is the object of such posts himself.  

Some people do not like his work.  They are not actually required to view it.  No one is forcing them to click on any of his threads.  I don't care much for tribute videos or posters, so I have not sought them out. They are easy to avoid.  I simply don't click on those threads.

But that sort of discretion seems beyond the abilities of the howling mob.  They will go to his threads every time they come to the forum and then proceed to whine about them.  Why they don't simply skip them is beyond me. 

And they claim that he has too many posts, as if there is some kind of limit and he is using up more than his share.  But that is groundless.  No one has lost an opportunity to post because another person has posted "too much". And if they want other sorts of posts to appear on the forums, they are free to make that happen.  Forums depend on the participation of members.  If the members want different content, they have only to post it.

Instead, they seek to control the posting behavior of someone else.  They have even gone so far as to falsely claim that he has deliberately manipulated images of Susan Boyle to make them less attractive.  That is ridiculous, but some have little discernment and tend to believe anything.  

Sometimes the complaints and attacks have the intended effect of hurting the person at whom they are aimed.  But if he protests or even says he is hurt, the attackers accuse him of manipulation.  He responds to their venom and manipulation and as a result, he gets branded a manipulator.  It would be laughable if it wasn't so cruel. 

The posts these self-appointed censors seek to curtail are harmless.  But the behavior of the mob is not.  Should they succeed at blacklisting someone, it will be a sad day for freedom to post on such forums.  And once the precedent is set, the same tactics they used could easily be used against them.  If a group complains about their posts, should their posting privileges be curtailed?  No one would squeal louder if that happened.  But they do not want to extend the same latitude they enjoy to everyone.

Thursday, June 2, 2011

Liars and Enablers

Though I have been evicted from SBFII, members there occasionally share posts with me.  Recently, I was shown a post by Kalua, an administrator there.  He claimed that “I do not read those blogs and I do not have the slight intention to do so.” 

Actually, he reads the blogs quite often.  In fact, his IP address has shown up on my blog over a hundred times.   There have only been 41 blogs, so I assume he checks regularly for new ones.   Other staff and Board members have also been reading the blog. 

I use Statcounter at my blog and can see the IP address of everyone who goes there.  I can also see the page they clicked on to get there.  Many have “no referring link”, since they have bookmarked the page.  Kalua has apparently bookmarked my blog page, but he also frequently clicks on a link at Susahumor.com.

The Board members of SBFII cannot claim ignorance of the information I have presented in the blogs.  I know they have read it.  By the way, no one has disputed any of the facts from the database.  As I have stated previously, if anyone doubts the accuracy of my data, the same information can be obtained independently from Hostgator if you want to verify it. 

Another post shared with me was by Board member sunandroses.  She was talking about forgiveness for those who left SBFII. 

“I for one always believe in forgiveness, but forgiveness with a well-trodden path of acknowledgement of whatever the charge was, recognition of the pain caused by the misdeed, and promises that that kind of breach of the social fabric won't happen again in the future. Only then can trust be reestablished and only then can a renewed relationship begin. Trust but verify!!”

In my opinion, she has things entirely backwards.  Those who left (Dyebat, lchris and Citroenlady) were the recipients of “the pain caused by the misdeed”, not the cause. 

Dyebat, lchris and Citroenlady never had any sort of plot to take over the forum, but they were falsely accused of that by staff members.  Tech staff members of SBFII created a fake “hacking” incident and tried to blame others for it.  Admin and Board members learned about it and covered it up.    Where is the outrage for all of those actions?

Where is the “acknowledgement of whatever the charge was”?  Where are the “promises that that kind of breach of the social fabric won't happen again in the future”?  How can trust possibly be reestablished when the staff and the admin of SBFII have told lies?  Where is the accountability? 

Do all Board members sanction the actions of JudyOkla and Danileo?  Do the Board members sanction the actions of their president, Tickled Pink, who covered up and lied about events?  Do the Board members sanction the actions of staff who made public, but false, accusations?  Do the Board members sanction the actions of those who knew about the events, but remained silent?  (This includes Board members themselves.) 

If they continue to do nothing, the obvious conclusion is that the Board members do sanction that behavior.  Why would people of supposed good character do that?  Were those who suggested them for the Board wrong about their character?  Is it because they are involved in the misdeeds themselves, if only after the the fact?  Does the Board President have so much influence over them that they would ignore their own moral sense of right and wrong?  Are they being lied to yet again? 

Where is the outrage?  Where is the accountability?

Monday, April 11, 2011

The Cover-Up

It appears that the new admin accounts were created for a specific purpose.  Afterwards an attempt was made to hide what had been done. The cover up included both altering the record and removing some of the accounts.

The cover-up began while JudyOkla and Danileo were still attempting to give administrator permissions to their new admin accounts.  The account of kaydaniels (8101) was apparently not working out well.  So they got rid of it.

Both Danileo and JudyOkla altered the record of kaydaniels. Then on the evening of July 18th, the first kaydaniels was “killed” by Danileo, using the account of Evamarie.   (Reminder from a previous blog:  To “kill” in vBulletin is to “run code to remove item in database”.)

admin
logid
user
id
dateline
script
action
extrainfo
ipaddress
48054
57
(Danileo)
1279501248
07 / 18 / 10 @
8:00:48pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8101
6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48058
250
(JudyOkla)
1279501448
user.php
edit
user id = 8101
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
48059
250
1279501460
07 / 18 / 10 @
8:04:20pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8101
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
48068
250
1279501659
user.php
edit
user id = 8101
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
48069
250
(JudyOkla)
1279501739
user.php
edit
access
user id = 8101
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
48089
250
1279502929
user.php
edit
user id = 8101
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
48092
8036
(EvaMarie)
1279503005
user.php
edit
user id = 8101
6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48093
8036
1279503027
07 / 18 / 10 @
8:30:27pm EST
user.php
remove
user id = 8101
6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48094
8036
(EvaMarie)
1279503037
07 / 18 / 10 @
8:30:37pm EST
user.php
kill
user id = 8101
6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)

Beginning on July 19th, lchris began to remove admin permissions from Evamarie.  EvaMarie tried a few more actions before she was disempowered.  These actions were done from the IP address of Danileo.  lchris continued to remove admin and moderator permissions.

There were more steps than I have shown here, because lchris went through the permissions step by step to make sure she didn’t miss any.  They look essentially the same and would take up pages, so I have included only a few examples.

On July 23rd. Pickled Tink checked the IP used by EvaMarie (doips = do IP search).  Following that, Pickled Tink “killed” the account of EvaMarie.

admin
logid
user
id
dateline
script
action
extrainfo
ipaddress
48403
99
(lchris)
1279568595
07 / 19 / 10 @ 2:43:15pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8036 (evamarie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48421
99
1279571479
07/19/10 @ 3:31:19pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8036 (evamarie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48434
8036
(Eva
Marie)
1279573080
07 / 19 / 10 @ 3:58:00pm EST
user.php
find

6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48435
8036
1279573091
user.php
find
names

6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48436
8036
(Eva
Marie)
1279573093
07 / 19 / 10 @ 3:58:13pm EST
user.php
view
user
user id = 2657
6x.xxx.xx.xx7
(Danileo)
48457
99
(lchris)
1279583010
07 / 19 / 10 @ 6:43:30pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8036 (evamarie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48507
99
1279584705
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:11:45pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8036 (evamarie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48577
99
(lchris)
1279587039
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:50:39pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = evamarie
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48782
99
(lchris)
1279653651
07 / 20 / 10 @ 2:20:51pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
user id = 8036
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48783
99
1279653651
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = evamarie
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48926
99
(lchris)
1279683315
07 / 20 / 10 @ 10:35:15pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = evamarie
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
49807
94
(Pickled Tink)
1279915990
07 / 23 / 10 @ 3:13:10pm EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8036
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
49808
94
(Pickled Tink)
1279916012
usertools
.php
doips
(do ip search)
user id = 8036
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
49811
94
1279916084
user.php
remove
user id = 8036
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
49812
94
(Pickled Tink)
1279916089
07 / 23 / 10 @ 3:14:49pm EST
user.php
kill
user id = 8036
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)

On July 19th, lchris began to remove admin and moderator permissions from roseym.  On July 27th, JudyOkla altered the record of roseym twice.

admin
logid
user id
dateline
script
action
extrainfo
ipaddress
48415
99
(lchris)
1279568637
07 / 19 / 10 @ 2:43:57pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8102 (roseym)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48515
99
1279584731
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8102 (roseym)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48548
99
(lchris)
1279586344
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8102 (roseym)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48556
99
1279586845
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:47:25pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
user id = 8102
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48557
99
1279586845
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = roseym
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48559
99
1279586892
moderator
.php
update
username = roseym
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48607
99
(lchris)
1279587287
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:54:47pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
user id = 8102
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
50833
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280291305
07 / 27 / 10 @ 11:28:25pm EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8102
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50834
250
1280291328
user.php
change
history
user id = 8102
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50837
250
1280291444
usertools
.php
doips
user id = 8102
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50838
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280291464
07 / 27 / 10 @ 11:31:04pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8102
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)

Lchris removed admin and moderator permissions from the second kaydaniels account on the 19th and 20th of July.  On July 25th, 26th and on August 1st, JudyOkla altered the record of kaydaniels (8106) six times.

admin
logid
user
id
dateline
script
action
extrainfo
ipaddress
48406
99
(lchris)
1279568606
07 / 19 / 10 @
 2:43:26pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8106 (kaydaniels)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48509
99
1279584711
07 / 19 / 10 @
7:11:51pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8106 (kaydaniels)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48572
99
(lchris)
1279587000
07 / 19 / 10 @
 7:50:00pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48574
99
1279587035
moderator
.php
update
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48596
99
1279587250
07 / 19 / 10 @
7:54:10pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48627
99
(lchris)
1279588235
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8106 (kaydaniels)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48630
99
1279588241
07 / 19 / 10 @
8:10:41pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8106 (kaydaniels)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48665
99
1279594076
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48786
99
1279653657
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48894
99
(lchris)
1279679863
07 / 20 / 10 @
9:37:43pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8106 (kaydaniels)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48929
99
1279683324
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = kaydaniels
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
50246
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280082957
07 / 25 / 10 @
1:35:57pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
(kaydaniels)
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50674
250
1280174488
07 / 26 / 10 @ 3:01:28pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51252
250
1280704676
user.php
edit
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51253
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280704698
08 / 01 / 10 @
6:18:18pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51254
250
1280704710
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51255
250
1280704713
user.php
edit
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51256
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280704758
08 / 01 / 10 @
6:19:18pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51257
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280704767
08 / 01 / 10 @
 6:19:27pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51258
250
1280704785
08 / 01 / 10 @
6:19:45pm EST
user.php
edit
access
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
51259
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280704799
08 / 01 / 10 @
6:19:59pm EST
resources
.php
view
user
user id = 8106
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)

Lchris removed admin and moderator permissions from Looie on July 19th and 20th.  On July 25th, Pickled Tink edited Looie’s account.  She did an IP search.  Then she “killed” the account of Looie.

admin
logid
user id
dateline
script
action
extra info
ipaddress
48409
99
(lchris)
1279568618
07 / 19 / 10 @ 2:43:38pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8108 (Looie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48511
99
1279584720
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:12:00pm EST
admin
permissions
.php
edit
user id = 8108 (Looie)
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48566
99
1279586954
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:49:14pm EST
moderator
.php
edit
global
user id = 8108
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48567
99
1279586954
moderator
.php
edit
global
username = Looie
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48569
99
(lchris)
1279586994
07 / 19 / 10 @ 7:49:54pm EST
moderator
.php
update
username = Looie
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
48974
99
(lchris)
1279683813
07 / 20 / 10 @ 10:43:33pm EST
user.php
modify
user id = 8108
7x.xx.xx.xx9
(lchris)
49925
250
(Judy
Okla)
1279953802
07 / 24 / 10 @ 1:43:22am EST
user.php
view
user
user id = 8108
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50091
94
(Pickled
Tink)
1280043860
07 / 25 / 10 @ 2:44:20am EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8108
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
50094
94
1280043889
07 / 25 / 10 @ 2:44:49am EST
usertools
.php
doips
(do IP
search)
user id = 8108
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
50097
94
1280047394
07 / 25 / 10 @ 3:43:14am EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8108
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
50098
94
(Pickled
Tink)
1280047464
07 / 25 / 10 @ 3:44:24am EST
user.php
remove
user id = 8108
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)
50099
94
(Pickled
Tink)
1280047473
07 / 25 / 10 @ 3:44:33am EST
user.php
kill
user id = 8108
8x.xx.xxx.x4
(Pickled Tink)

The final new account was jayme (8109).  On July 25th and 26th, JudyOkla altered the record of jayme six times.

admin
logid
user
id
dateline
script
action
extra info
ipaddress
50241
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280082905
07 / 25 / 10 @ 1:35:05pm EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50242
250
1280082909
07 / 25 / 10 @ 1:35:09pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50253
250
1280083048
user.php
edit
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50254
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280083051
07 / 25 / 10 @ 1:37:31pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50667
250
1280174392
07 / 26 / 10 @ 2:59:52pm EST
user.php
edit
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50668
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280174397
07 / 26 / 10 @
2:59:57pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50669
250
1280174434
07 / 26 / 10 @ 3:00:34pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50670
250
(Judy
Okla)
1280174441
07 / 26 / 10 @ 3:00:41pm EST
user.php
change
history
user id = 8109
9x.xxx.xxx.x7
(JudyOkla)
50677
250
1280174671
user.php
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It is clear that Pickled Tink knew about the admin accounts shortly after the events because she helped dispose of them.  She “killed” two of the accounts.  Before doing so, she did an IP search, so she also knew who used the accounts.

The way in which the new admin accounts were handled indicates that they were not legitimate secondary accounts. If they had been above board, there would have been no need to alter the records of those admins.  If they had been legitimate, there would have been no need for one of them to be “killed” by Danileo and for two to be “killed” by Pickled Tink.